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and record Kirk McKusick's email for posterity. (I posted it to the mailing list when it happened, but this is more obvious...)
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From: Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com>
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To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
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Subject: Re: License naming question.
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Reply-To: Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com>
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Comments: In-reply-to Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
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message dated "Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:57:10 -0500."
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:01:40 -0700
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> To: mckusick@mckusick.com
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> From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
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> Subject: License naming question.
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:57:10 -0500
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> =
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> Hi,
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> =
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> We spoke at Ohio Linuxfest back in 2013 (you attended my Rise and
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> Fall of Copyleft talk, and then we talked in the hallway afterwards).
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> =
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> I _think_ I told you about my plans to try to promote public domain
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> equivalent licensing, a concept which has a wikipedia page now:
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> =
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_equivalent_license
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> =
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> For toybox what I did was take the OpenBSD suggested template license
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> off their website and remove the half-sentence requiring people to
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> copy that specific license text into derived works, and the resulting
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> license made it past Google's lawyers! My toybox project has been
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> providing the command line for android since Marshmallow
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> (https://lwn.net/Articles/629362/) and we're making progress on
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> getting android to build under android, the Bionic libc maintainer
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> recently sent me a roadmap update about that:
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> =
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> https://github.com/landley/toybox/commit/92b359f00057
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> =
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> I called the resulting license "Zero Clause BSD" (by analogy with
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> "Creative Commons Zero" and the existing 4 clause, 3 clause, and 2
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> clause BSD licenses), and I even got SPDX approval for it in 2015
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> (because Samsung asked me to shortly after Google merged it into
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> AOSP, they'd been adding it aftermarket before then and having an
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> SPDX identifier for the license simplified their internal bureaucracy).
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> =
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> Then a couple months after SPDX approved it, somebody _else_ submitted
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> the same license to Eric Raymond's old Open Source Initiative using
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> "Free" in the name, as in Free Software Foundation. (A sadly loaded
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> term these days.)
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> =
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> I hadn't known they were still in the license approval business
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> (they stopped approving new licenses in... 2012? And I remember
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> them explicitly _rejecting_ CC0 saying public domain isn't a license,
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> which their FAQ still talks about at
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> https://opensource.org/faq#public-domain). But they approved the
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> toybox license under a different name, then asked SPDX to retroactively
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> change their name for it. (SPDX didn't, but OSI refused to admit
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> it made a mistake, even though they said they had a policy to keep
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> the names in sync. They hadn't done their homework.)
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> =
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> Now every time the license is considered for a new use, the confusion
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> OSI caused tends to derail things:
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> =
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> https://github.com/david-a-wheeler/spdx-tutorial/issues/1
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> =
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> When github itself was considering adding 0BSD to its license
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> pulldown (which would have been a big win), I was asked what I
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> thought of the naming confusion, and I wrote two long things on my
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> rationale with lots of links to earlier stuff, which you can read
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> here if you'd like:
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> =
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> https://github.com/github/choosealicense.com/issues/464
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> =
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> Anyway, I recently decided to ask OSI to admit they made a mistake
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> and change their name for the license to match what SPDX did, and
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> there was unanimous approval...
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> =
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> http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.or=
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g/2018-September/003519.html
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> =
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> Until the same guy who was objecting last time showed up to continue
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> to object. He ignord the "who used it first" axis, and said he
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> wanted to know which name was used more today, and then when he
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> lost that argument he said he objects to calling something a BSD
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> license that isn't using Berkeley's original wording.
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> =
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> My question is: do you object to the name "Zero Clause BSD" for a
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> public domain equivalent license that's the OpenBSD suggested
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> template license with half a sentence removed?
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> =
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> If you want to stay out of this, I understand. I'm pretty sure I
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> asked you this in 2013 before I started pushing the name, and
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> wouldn't have if you'd objected then, but that was long ago and the
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> water under the bridge is dead...
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> =
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> Thanks for your time, sorry that took so long to explain. (And even
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> longer if you read the big long github choosealicense thread. :)
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> =
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> Rob
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Thanks for the through explanation of the situation.
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I have no objections to the name "Zero Clause BSD" for your license.
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I hope that you are successful in getting OSI to change their name
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for the license to match what SPDX did.
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Kirk McKusick
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